How come when they Witchking stabs Frodo on weathertop he is about the same height as Aragorn but when he duels with Eowyn on the feilds of Pellenor he is about 18" taller than her. Perhaps you can alter your size depending on your mood in the Wraith world?
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if it has anything to do with the movie, I think you should not mention it here. lore is not the lotr movies...I hope no one will ask why Saruman fell from Orthanc in the movies... I believe it is a small mistake that was made, one of many...too bad there are also huge mistakes
As for you question Glorfindel1235, I think 8" of that 18" was his spiky helmet. The other 1' could be accounted for that Aragorn was a fair bit taller than Eowyn (not a foot exactly), So in the end there was probaly a 5" descepency between his height in the first film to his height in the third.
Yes but still that is a fair differance in height mouthofsauron111. I would have thought that something like this would have been noticed by the film makers.
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oh please, by the filmmakers? there are many other small mistakes. like make-up in one scene and in the next one no more, for example no more blood or something, or the well-known sword of Eomer. also I heard of an even nore interesting mistake - Legolas shooting arrows at Helm's Deep. And we see in the movie his arrows are yellow and green in the back, but the arrows that hit the orcs are white at the back. Of course an even smaller mistake, but it isn't the only one, just one of many.
Well spotted The might. I cannot say i saw that one. But yes there are many small mistakes in the film and also many big ones. Take Angmar for instance. He manges to somehow destroy Gandalfs staff in Minas Tirith with some unforeseen blast of power. he was most likely a Numenorean so would have little more power than the avergae one of them so there would be know way he could destroy a Maiars staff.
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he did what? jesus...must be in that god damn extended edition...good I don't have it...I'd only get angry cause of the stupid things. Well, the witchking was powerfull and he did have more or less some special powers, but for sure not so strong. The only staff we know about to be broken is of course the one of Saruman, and that was done by Gandalf.
Please don't call him "Angmar". Angmar is a location, not a person. Thus why he's more commonly called the Witch-king, Lord of the Nine, or whatever vague name he has--but not Angmar, please.
However I have never heard of the Ettenmores beings called Angmar before Sauron sent him up there in 1350. Perhaps he was called Angmar and then the place was called Angmar becuase of him, rather than the other way around.
wrong... Angmar was the name of a place, and it was never and would never be the name of any creature. why? because its meaning Land of Iron or Land of Opression.
To the best of my recollection the "Witch-King" did not stab Frodo on Weathertop. All the 9 were kings so it doesn't necessarily mean he was on weathertop. I will admit, however that he looks huge at the end of ROTK, and not when all 9 were chasing Arwen to the Ford of Bruinen.
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Anduril, while this is the movies forum, Jackson does say they were King's of Men. But just for useful information, Tolkien tells us that of the nine 'three were great Lords from Numenor' (The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power) and none of them were Kings during their time as Men. But, this is the Movies forum, and Jackson does say they were 'Kings of Men' (or someone in the movie does).
I'd also like to point out too that in the Movies it's established that the WK stabbed Frodo on Weathertop. For in ROTK, when Gandalf is talking to Pippin about Sauron yet to unleash his deadliest servant...the Witch-King...he says 'You've met him before, he stabbed Frodo on Weathertop.'
As far as the issue of height, I think it's Jackson's clever use of showing height as a form of fear. It's something Tolkien also often did. Height can show two different things. At times Height can show splendour and greatness (as in a King), often times the great Kings are tall people. (Example Aragorn, who was the tallest of the Fellowship, remarks about Theoden standing to his full height, and standing up 'renewed'). But, also Tolkien shows height to install fear into somebody. As he does with Boromir near Amon Hen with Frodo:
He laid his hand on the hobbit's shoulder in friendly fashion; but Frodo felt the hand trembling with suppressed excitement. He stepped quickly away, and eyed with alarm the tall Man, nearly twice his height and many times his match in strength.~The Breaking of the Fellowship
Boromir's height advantage is used to install fear into Frodo. Tolkien also attributes the Balrog's as appearing larger than they actually were. And also when Eowyn faces the Witch-King:
Out of the wreeck rose the Black Rider, tall and threatening, towering above her. With a cry of hatred that stung the very ears like venom he let fall his mace...~Pelennor Fields
Perhaps it was just some inconsistancy, but I think it was Jackson using Tolkien's clever use of height to install fear into someone. Because looking up at something 'towering over you' or tall and threatening or intimidating, is more terrifying than someone relatively the same height as you.
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Also another point: The WK could have gained height as the War of the Ring progressed becuase Sauron (or the ring) was giving him more and more power, and thus he may have increased in size becuase of this. By the time of the battle of Pellenor took place the WK would have been at full strength and thus may appear to be as much as 2foot bigger than when he first rose again.
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No one tell TM about the appearnace of the Mouth of Sauron in the EEs *g* I thought the bit with Gandalf's staff shattering was rubbish, but I won't go there. Also, Eowyn was crouched down in the defensive position half the time you see her compared to the WK, losing at least half a foot in height. Though I agree with what Tulkas said. Like Gandalf when he's telling Bilbo off in the start of the movie, the camera moves so that he seems to grow, making him suddenly seem a lot more serious and threatening.
he did have a strange look, but at least PJ had attention to details you might have noticed that the MoS has some inscriptions on his helmet Of course, such details are a nice touch, and even though they were not present in the books, they are still good in my opinion But...why does he have such a strange mouth? Are those self-inflicted wounds or did Sauron beat him up after MoS told him his hair style was uncool? I dunno, but I still think he should have been presented as a normal Man, of Numenorean descent, perhaps something like the corsairs, but not a strange looking...thing You know...now I realise why Aragorn killed him in the movie In the book he looked better so Aragorn thought to give him a chance, but in the movie he couldn't accept to be offended by such an ugly thing...so he cut his head off...
I'm sure that is the deep and meaningful reason behind it TM. I'm not denouncing it completely, it just... overall, he really didn't give me the feel that he had authority or deserved fear. It sort of almost got there, but the weird face, and strange accent got in the way slightly. And the acting style reminded me of the power rangers for some odd reason, which is possibly why I didn't feel too much respect, lol.
perhaps the strange ah sounds acommpanied by a just as strange head movement something like... my master Sauron bids thee welcome...ah...(makes strange grin and head movement and indeed...I can't imagine that guy to be more cruel then any orc you know who he really reminds me of ? Joker, from Batman same stupid grin, same lame jokes, a strange face as well, and...same yellow teeth
I would have imagined someone that says little, but does much, that person would inspire fear indeed His tone when he gave Gandalf the mithril short was also wrong in my opinion I think an inhuman, Agent Smith or Terminator like voice, without any presence of emotions, such as being amused by something, would have made him much more truthful.
That might be what she is thinking that she is seeing...
lol
her thoughts might include: "he is tons bigger, stronger, and taller than me", "wt*", and finally "oh ****, i'm dead meat!"...(In the movie you can really see all of these thoughts strung together in her eyes)
thus giving her this... illusion,you might say.
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-- Edited by Prince of Mirkwood at 03:40, 2007-05-03
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I'm not denouncing it completely, it just... overall, he really didn't give me the feel that he had authority or deserved fear. It sort of almost got there, but the weird face, and strange accent got in the way slightly. And the acting style reminded me of the power rangers for some odd reason, which is possibly why I didn't feel too much respect, lol. 
