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Galadriel

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I know quite a bit about the first two ages but not so much about the third age. I was wondering if anybody would be good enough to give me a brief outline of what happens in it, particularly the beginning half, with Angmar and Arnor and all that. __________________ So do all who live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

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Yes it is surprising. Most people know about the third age firt and then the second and then the first.

I can outline the two most important dates of the first half but the rest is too in-depth:

Istari wizards sent to Middle-earth in the year 1000

Sauron reappears in Dolguldur, southern mirkwood in about 1050

Not much but somthing to base your reading around.

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There's a good (and much faster) way to those main- events of Third Age by looking those here> http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp?url=http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/alphaa.html

it tells those most important things but i would suggest that people do read about those from books.This site mentioned above is quite trustworth but still it could contain some errors.

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Thanks for the reference. I will bear it in mind __________________ So do all who live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

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Honestly, I think it would be much better to read LotR and The Hobbit to aquire information on the Third Age. An outline after all can only tell you very little! It takes more time than going over an outline, but it's certainly much more informative not to mention a wonderful read! If you want a fairly good, detailed outline, there's a chronology of all the major events and dates on which things occured in the back of The Return of the King.

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actually it isn't, the chronicle of the Third Age on EoA is very well made and simply presents all the important events together with the years. It is a lot easier then to look in the Tale of the Years, as it presents extra dates to those in the Tale of the Years. __________________ Honor, Freedom, Fatherland

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Well, personally I like the extra dates...I suppose she could just look at both. That would certainly be easier than trying to decide which one's better! __________________ The more I consumath the more I hunger for, render me the Silmarils!

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all the information from the Tale of the Years is included in the chronicle of the Third Age from the EoA, also in a more simple form, and easier to understand. __________________ Honor, Freedom, Fatherland

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If you have a copy of LOTR handy, check out the Appendices. As The Might stated, the tale of the years is an outline from day one. However, I would only use that as a reading guids. Dig out 'Unfinished Tales' or the 'HOME' series (especially The Return of the Shadow-great read) and use the outline to sort through the events that it covers. __________________

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Still, I would be careful about the HOME series, not because it was written by CT, no, not at all, but because not all that is presented there was later used or intended. You should read HOME, but watch out when using information you got from there in lore forums. __________________ Honor, Freedom, Fatherland

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You are correct, The Might. I would always check to see who has written the book before using any information in it. There are a lot of misleading books out there (Middle Earth for Dummies anyone?) that give false, or corrupt information. __________________

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of course, other books should never be take into considertion, unless they are well written and based on real ME facts and not made up stuff. And even the HOME sometimes presents facts from previous manuscripts, with sories that simply were later ignored and not used or not published. Some information is good, but some is of no real use in lore forums (except that of informing you) as it is an earlier draft of a story.

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This was made at 4am in the morning, so i bet there are many mistakes, but i will post it anyway. Its the history of the most important happenings in the Third Age before the story that you find in LOTR books. Its written from the back of book 3, and i had to translate from Estonian, which is hard with Tolkiens creations Feel free to correct any mistakes!

The Story of the Lord of The Rings

It began in the last year of the Second Age-the year 3441, when the last alliance of men and elves defeated The Dark Lord Sauron. He was beaten by Elendil and Gil-Galad, who both died for this achievement. Isildur, the son of Elendil and heir to the throne of the king took the One ring, which Sauron used to control the earth, but he did not destroy it, for the hearts of men are easy to corrupt. Sauron himself left the world, and ringwraiths were lost in the shadows. This is the end of the 2nd age.

In the 2nd year of the Third Age (From now on called TA) Isildur plants the seed of the White Tree in Minas Anor (The last tree in Minas Ithil was burned down by Sauron) and in the same year, Isildur and his 3 older sons are killed by orcs. In the 3rd year Ohtar brings the shards of Narsil to Imladris.

106 years later, in 109, Elrond Half-Elven marries with Celebrian, the daughter of Celeborn, and 21 years later, in year 130, they’re sons are born, Elladan and Elrohir, while his daughter is born in the 241, and named Arwen Undomiel. From here until around the year 1100, no very important events happen, but around the year 1100 of the TA, The Istari and important Eldar discover that an evil force has constructed a fortress to Dol Guldur, and they think its one of the Nazguls. About 200 years later, in around the year 1300, evil creatures start multiplying again, and orcs attack dwarves in the Misty Mountains. Nazguls re-appear and their chief goes to Angmar, and in the year 1409 of the TA The Witch-King of Angmar breaches the defenses of Arnor, and in the same year Amon Sul is destroyed. And only 28 years later, in 1437 of the TA, Osgiliath is burned down, and the Palantir(i?) are lost.

Then, 199 years later, the White Tree of Minas Anor dries up and one year later King Tarondor plants a new seed in Minas Anor; Mordor is left un-guarded, and Osgiliath starts to fall into ruins. In the year 1975 of the TA, the Palantir(i?) of Amon Sul are lost. Only 5 years later the Witch-King returns to Mordor and calls the other Nazguls there aswell, while the Balrog appears in Moria and kills Durin VI. Dwarves escape Moria only a year later.

In the year 2000 of the TA Nazguls break out of Mordor and surround Minas Ithil, which falls only 2 years later, and is now named Minas Morgul, and a Palantir(i?) falls into the hands of the enemy. 60 years later, in 2060, the power of Dol Guldur grows, and the wise fear that Sauron may take a living form again. 3 years later Gandalf goes into Dol Guldur, and Sauron retreats to the east.

In the year 2640 Sauron returns to Dol Guldur with reinforced forces. 3 years later Deagol finds the One Ring, and Smeagol kills him. In about 7 years later Smeagol hides himself in the Misty Mountains. 5 years after that, in 2475, theres a new attack to Gondor, and Osgiliath is destroyed permanently. Another 5 years after that Sauron starts to habit Moria with his creatures.

In the year 2698 Ecthelion I rebuilds Minas Tirith.

In 2850 of the TA Gandalf enters Dol Guldur again, finds out that its master really is Sauron, who is gathering all the rings and looking for any signs of the heir of Isildur and The One, while Gandalf finds Thraini (who later dies in Dol Guldur) and gets back the key of Erebor.

A Year later the white council meets again, and Gandalf insists the attack of Dol Guldur, but Saruman does not listen to him (we later learned that at that time Saruman wanted the rings for himself, and thought it would reveal itself it it’s master would be left alone for some time).

2 Years later the White tree dies again, and there are no seeds to be found, so the tree is left to stand there.

In the year 2890 Bilbo Baggins is born. On the 1st of March, the year 2931, Aragorn the son of Arathorn is born. Only 8 years later Saruman discovers Sauron’s spies searching, and by this he understands that Sauron has heard news about Isildur’s death. Only 2 years later Thorin Oakenshield and Gandalf visit Bilbo in the Shire. Bilbo finds the Ring and Smeagol, while The White council meets, and Saruman agrees to attack Dol Guldur to stop Sauron’s spies for searching the river for the ring. Sauron leaves Dol Guldur, after making his plans, and on the same year occurs the Battle Of The Five Armies, and Smaug the dragon is killed. A year later Bilbo returns to the Shire with the ring, and Sauron secretly returns to Mordor. In 2948 King Theoden, the son on Thengeli is born. And a year after that Gandalf and Balin visit Bilbo in the Shire.

In the year 2951 Sauron lets people hear of him and starts to gain forces in Mordor, sends 3 of his Nazguls to regain Dol Guldur, and Gollum heads for Mordor; Elrond reveals to Aragorn his true name (so far he had been called Estel) and origin and gives him the shards of Narsil. Aragorn meets Arwen in the forests of Imladris.

In 2953 in the TA occurs the final meeting of the White Council, and they disguss over the ring. Saruman says that the river passed it from Anduin to deep into the sea, but Gandalf doesn’t believe him, and Saruman stays in Isengard, claiming it to be his own.

Being jealous of Gandalf and fearing him he sets spies to watch his every move and notices his interest in The Shire. Only a year later, in 2954 the Mount Doom erupts. 2 years later Aragorn meets Gandalf and there they’re friendship begins. In 2968 Frodo is born, and in 2978 Boromir is born. In 2983 both Sam and Faramir are born.

Around the year 3000 of the TA the Shadow of Mordor reach farther, and Saruman dares to use the Palantir(i?) of Orthanc but falls in the trap of Sauron and becomes the traitor of the Council. His spies tell him that Rangers are guarding the Shire. A year later occurs Bilbo’s 111th birthday, and Gandalf suspects he has the ring; the guarding of the Shire is doubled, and Gandalf looks for the Gollum and asks for Aragorn’s help. In 3002 Bilbo goes to see Elrond and stays in Rivendell, while Gandalf meets Frodo in the Shire in 3004 and sometimes in the following years comes to see him. In 3008 occurs Gandalfs final visit to Frodo. In 3009 Gandalf and Aragorn search for the Gollum for 8 years; some time in the 8 years Gollum himself was in Mordor and Sauron captured him; Mountains and all Eastern lands become dangerous. In the year 3017 of the TA Gollum is let out from Mordor, Aragorn captures him in the Deadly Marshes and Gandalf visits Minas Tirith and reads the scroll of Isildur. This is where the story of the Fellowship will begin.

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aww...that was really kind of you...
but really, you shouldn't have done...you could have told me, I can do it much more easily
still really nice of you
and, really, Olorin of Nienna, if you want to have the books as Word Documents in English, just give me your mail address, and I'll send them to you.

ok, and here is the LOTR story, just to avoid any mistakes:

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2 Isildur plants a seedling of the White Tree in Minas Anor. He delivers the South-kingdom to Meneldil. Disaster of the Gladden Fields; Isildur and his three elder sons are slain.
3 Ohtar brings the shards of Narsil to Imladris.
10 Valandil becomes King of Arnor.
109 Elrond weds Celebrían, daughter of Celeborn.
130 Birth of Elladan and Elrohir, sons of Elrond.
241 Birth of Arwen Undómiel.
420 King Ostoher rebuilds Minas Anor.
490 First invasion of Easterlings.
500 Rómendacil I defeats the Easterlings.
541 Rómendacil slain in battle.
830 Falastur begins the line of Ship-kings of Gondor.
861 Death of Eärendur, and division of Arnor.
933 King Eärnil I takes Umbar, which becomes a fortress of Gondor.
936 Eärnil lost at sea.
1015 King Ciryandil slain in the siege of Umbar.
1050 Hyarmendacil conquers the Harad. Gondor reaches the height of its power. About this time a shadow falls on Greenwood, and men begin to call it Mirkwood. The Periannath are first mentioned in records, with the coming of the Harfoots to Eriador.
c. 1100 The Wise (the Istari and the chief Eldar) discover that an evil power has made a stronghold at Dol Guldur. It is thought to be one of the Nazgûl.
1149 Reign of Atanatar Alcarin begins.
c. 1150 The Fallohides enter Eriador. The Stoors come over the Redhorn Pass and move to the Angle, or to Dunland.
c. 1300 Evil things begin to multiply again. Orcs increase in the Misty Mountains and attack the Dwarves. The Nazgûl reappear. The chief of these comes north to Angmar. The Periannath migrate westward; many settle at Bree.
1356 King Argeleb I slain in battle with Rhudaur. About this time the Stoors leave the Angle, and some return to Wilderland.
1409 The Witch-king of Angmar invades Arnor. King Arvaleg I slain. Fornost and Tyrn Gorthad are defended. The Tower of Amon Sûl destroyed.
1432 King Valacar of Gondor dies, and the civil war of the Kin-strife begins.
1437 Burning of Osgiliath and loss of the palantír. Eldacar flees to Rhovanion; his son Ornendil is murdered.
1447 Eldacar returns and drives out the usurper Castamir. Battle of the Crossings of Erui. Siege of Pelargir.
1448 Rebels escape and seize Umbar.
1540 King Aldamir slain in war with the Harad and Corsairs of Umbar,
1551 Hyarmendacil II defeats the Men of Harad.
1601 Many Periannath migrate from Bree, and are granted land beyond Baranduin by Argeleb II.
c. 1630 They are joined by Stoors coming up from Dunland.
1634 The Corsairs ravage Pelargir and slay King Minardil.
1636 The Great Plague devastates Gondor. Death of King Telemnar and his children. The White Tree dies in Minas Anor. The plague spreads north and west, and many parts of Eriador become desolate. Beyond the Baranduin the Periannath survive, but suffer great loss.
1640 King Tarondor removes the King's House to Minas Anor, and plants a seedling of the White Tree. Osgiliath begins to fall into ruin. Mordor is left unguarded.
1810 King Telumehtar Umbardacil retakes Umbar and drives out the Corsairs.
1851 The attacks of the Wainriders upon Gondor begin.
1856 Gondor loses its eastern territories, and Narmacil II falls in battle.
1899 King Calimehtar defeats the Wainriders on Dagorlad.
1900 Calimehtar builds the White Tower in Minas Anor.
1940 Gondor and Arnor renew communications and form an alliance. Arvedui weds Fíriel daughter of Ondoher of Gondor.
1944 Ondoher falls in battle. Eärnil defeats the enemy in South Ithilien. He then wins the Battle of the Camp, and drives Wainriders into the Dead Marshes. Arvedui claims the crown of Gondor.
1945 Eärnil II receives the crown.
1974 End of the North-kingdom. The Witch-king over-runs Arthedain and takes Fornost.
1975 Arvedui drowned in the Bay of Forochel. The palantíri of Annúminas and Amon Sûl are lost. Eärnur brings a fleet to Lindon. The Witch-king defeated at the Battle of Fornost, and pursued to the Ettenmoors. He vanishes from the North.
1976 Aranarth takes the title of Chieftain of the Dúnedain. The heirlooms of Arnor are given into the keeping of Elrond.
1977 Frumgar leads the Éothéod into the North.
1979 Bucca of the Marish becomes first Thain of the Shire.
1980 The Witch-king comes to Mordor and there gathers the Nazgûl. A Balrog appears in Moria, and slays Durin VI.
1981 Náin I slain. The Dwarves flee from Moria. Many of the Silvan Elves of Lórien flee south. Amroth and Nimrodel are lost.
1999 Thráin I comes to Erebor and founds a dwarf-kingdom 'under the Mountain'.
2000 The Nazgûl issue from Mordor and besiege Minas Ithil.
2002 Fall of Minas Ithil, afterwards known as Minas Morgul. The palantír is captured.
2043 Eärnur becomes King of Gondor. He is challenged by the Witch-king.
2050 The challenge is renewed. Eärnur rides to Minas Morgul and is lost Mardil becomes the first Ruling Steward.
2060 The power of Dol Guldur grows. The Wise fear that it may be Sauron taking shape again.
2063 Gandalf goes to Dol Guldur. Sauron retreats and hides in the East. The Watchful Peace begins. The Nazgûl remain quiet in Minas Morgul.
2210 Thorin I leaves Erebor, and goes north to the Grey Mountains, where most of the remnants of Durin's Folk are now gathering.
2340 Isumbras I becomes thirteenth Thain, and first of the Took line. The Oldbucks occupy the Buckland.
2460 The Watchful Peace ends. Sauron returns with increased strength to Dol Guldur.
2463 The White Council is formed. About this time Déagol the Stoor finds the One Ring, and is murdered by Sméagol.
2470 About this time Sméagol-Gollum hides in the Misty Mountains.
2475 Attack on Gondor renewed. Osgiliath finally ruined, and its stone-bridge broken.
c. 2480 Orcs begin to make secret strongholds in the Misty Mountains so as to bar all the passes into Eriador. Sauron begins to people Moria with his creatures.
2509 Celebrían, journeying to Lórien, is waylaid in the Redhorn Pass, and receives a poisoned wound.
2510 Celebrían departs over Sea. Orcs and Easterlings overrun Calenardhon. Eorl the Young wins the victory of the Field of Celebrant. The Rohirrim settle in Calenardhon.
2545 Eorl falls in battle in the Wold.
2569 Brego son of Eorl completes the Golden Hall.
2570 Baldor son of Brego enters the Forbidden Door and is lost. About this time Dragons reappear in the far North and begin to afflict the Dwarves.
2589 Dáin I slain by a Dragon.
2590 Thrór returns to Erebor. Grór his brother goes to the Iron Hills.
c. 2670 Tobold plants 'pipe-weed' in the Southfarthing.
2683 Isengrim II becomes tenth Thain and begins the excavation of Great Smials.
2698 Ecthelion I rebuilds the White Tower in Minas Tirith.
2740 Orcs renew their invasions of Eriador.
2747 Bandobras Took defeats an Orc-band in the Northfarthing.
2758 Rohan attacked from west and east and overrun. Gondor attacked by fleets of the Corsairs. Helm of Rohan takes refuge in Helm's Deep. Wulf seizes Edoras. 2758-9: The Long Winter follows. Great suffering and loss of life in Eriador and Rohan. Gandalf comes to the aid of the Shire-folk.
2759 Death of Helm. Fréaláf drives out Wulf, and begins second line of Kings of the Mark. Saruman takes up his abode in Isengard.
2770 Smaug the Dragon descends on Erebor. Dale destroyed. Thrór escapes with Thráin II and Thorin II.
2790 Thrór slain by an Orc in Moria. The Dwarves gather for a war of vengeance. Birth of Gerontius, later known as the Old Took.
2793 The War of the Dwarves and Orcs begins.
2799 Battle of Nanduhirion before the East-gate of Moria. Dáin Ironfoot returns to the Iron Hills. Thráin II and his son Thorin wander westwards. They settle in the South of Ered Luin beyond the Shire (2802).
2800-64 Orcs from the North trouble Rohan. King Walda slain by them (2861).
2841 Thráin II sets out to revisit Erebor, but is pursued by the servants of Sauron.
2845 Thráin the Dwarf is imprisoned in Dol Guldur; the last of the Seven Rings is taken from him.
2850 Gandalf again enters Dol Guldur, and discovers that its master is indeed Sauron, who is gathering all the Rings and seeking for news of the One, and of Isildur's Heir. He finds Thráin and receives the key of Erebor. Thráin dies in Dol Guldur.
2851 The White Council meets. Gandalf urges an attack on Dol Guldur. Saruman overrules him. Saruman begins to search near the Gladden Fields.
2852 Belecthor II of Gondor dies. The White Tree dies, and no seedling can be found. The Dead Tree is left standing.
2885 Stirred up by emissaries of Sauron the Haradrim cross the Poros and attack Gondor. The sons of Folcwine of Rohan are slain in the service of Gondor.
2890 Bilbo born in the Shire.
2901 Most of the remaining inhabitants of Ithilien desert it owing to the attacks of Uruks of Mordor. The secret refuge of Henneth Annûn is built.
2907 Birth of Gilraen mother of Aragorn II.
2911 The Fell Winter. The Baranduin and other rivers are frozen. White Wolves invade Eriador from the North.
2912 Great floods devastate Enedwaith and Minhiriath. Tharbad is ruined and deserted.
2920 Death of the Old Took.
2929 Arathorn son of Arador of the Dúnedain weds Gilraen.
2930 Arador slain by Trolls. Birth of Denethor II son of Ecthelion II in Minas Tirith.
2931 Aragorn son of Arathorn II born on March 1st.
2933 Arathorn II slain. Gilraen takes Aragorn to Imladris. Elrond receives him as foster-son and gives him the name Estel (Hope); his ancestry is concealed.
2939 Saruman discovers that Sauron's servants are searching the Anduin near Gladden Fields, and that Sauron therefore has learned of Isildur's end. He is alarmed, but says nothing to the Council.
2941 Thorin Oakenshield and Gandalf visit Bilbo in the Shire. Bilbo meets Sméagol-Gollum and finds the Ring. The White Council meets; Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to prevent Sauron from searching the River. Sauron having made his plans abandons Dol Guldur. The Battle of the Five Armies in Dale. Death of Thorin II. Bard of Esgaroth slays Smaug. Dáin of the Iron Hills becomes King under the Mountain (Dáin II).
2942 Bilbo returns to the Shire with the Ring. Sauron returns in secret to Mordor.
2944 Bard rebuilds Dale and becomes King. Gollum leaves the Mountains and begins his search for the 'thief' of the Ring.
2948 Théoden son of Thengel, King of Rohan, born.
2949 Gandalf and Balin visit Bilbo in the Shire.
2950 Finduilas, daughter of Adrahil of Dol Amroth, born.
2951 Sauron declares himself openly and gathers power in Mordor. He begins the rebuilding of Barad-dûr. Gollum turns towards Mordor. Sauron sends three of the Nazgûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur. Elrond reveals to 'Estel' his true name and ancestry, and delivers to him the shards of Narsil. Arwen, newly returned from Lórien, meets Aragorn in the woods of Imladris. Aragorn goes out into the Wild.
2953 Last meeting of the White Council. They debate the Rings. Saruman feigns that he has discovered that the One Ring has passed down Anduin to the Sea. Saruman withdraws to Isengard, which he takes as his own, and fortifies it. Being jealous and afraid of Gandalf he sets spies to watch all his movements; and notes his interest in the Shire. He soon begins to keep agents in Bree and the Southfarthing.
2954 Mount Doom bursts into flame again. The last inhabitants of Ithilien flee over Anduin.
2956 Aragorn meets Gandalf and their friendship begins.
2957-80 Aragorn undertakes his great journeys and errantries. As Thorongil he serves in disguise both Thengel of Rohan and Ecthelion II of Gondor.
2968 Birth of Frodo.
2976 Denethor weds Finduilas of Dol Amroth.
2977 Bain son of Bard becomes King of Dale.
2978 Birth of Boromir son of Denethor II.
2980 Aragorn enters Lórien and there meets again Arwen Undómiel. Aragorn gives her the ring of Barahir, and they plight their troth upon the hill of Cerin Amroth. About this time Gollum reaches the confines of Mordor and becomes acquainted with Shelob. Théoden becomes King of Rohan.
2983 Faramir son of Denethor born. Birth of Samwise.
2984 Death of Ecthelion II. Denethor II becomes Steward of Gondor.
2988 Finduilas dies young.
2989 Balin leaves Erebor and enters Moria.
2991 Éomer Éomund's son born in Rohan.
2994 Balin perishes, and the dwarf-colony is destroyed.
2995 Éowyn sister of Éomer born.
c. 3000 The shadow of Mordor lengthens. Saruman dares to use the palantír of Orthanc, but becomes ensnared by Sauron, who has the Ithil Stone. He becomes a traitor to the Council. His spies report that the Shire is being closely guarded by the Rangers.
3001 Bilbo's farewell feast. Gandalf suspects his ring to be the One Ring. The guard on the Shire is doubled. Gandalf seeks for news of Gollum and calls on the help of Aragorn.
3002 Bilbo becomes a guest of Elrond, and settles in Rivendell.
3004 Gandalf visits Frodo in the Shire, and does so at intervals during the next four years.
3007 Brand son of Bain becomes King in Dale. Death of Gilraen.
3008 In the autumn Gandalf pays his last visit to Frodo.
3009 Gandalf and Aragorn renew their hunt for Gollum at intervals during the next eight years, searching in the vales of Anduin, Mirkwood, and Rhovanion to the confines of Mordor. At some time during these years Gollum himself ventured into Mordor, and was captured by Sauron. Elrond sends for Arwen, and she returns to Imladris; the Mountains and all lands eastward are becoming dangerous.
3017 Gollum is released from Mordor. He is taken by Aragorn in the Dead Marshes, and brought to Thranduil in Mirkwood. Gandalf visits Minas Tirith and reads the scroll of Isildur.

After this start the Great Years, and the beginning of the War of the Ring.

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Damn! How long did it take you to look that up TM. __________________

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less then you think CTRL + C CTRL + V __________________ Honor, Freedom, Fatherland

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What??? __________________

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He did a copy and paste from the ebook. __________________ Therefore I say that we will go on, and this doom I add: the deeds that we shall do shall be the matter of song until the last days of Arda

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indeed. well, now that I don't have the e-books I am somehow too lazy too type so much, so I usually guess where the quote I am thinking of is. __________________ Honor, Freedom, Fatherland

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