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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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Sauron's next move- speculative

Hi all

Imagine Sauron, won the ring.
Middlearth is his, to rule , forever

What would Sauron do now ?



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Anarion, Son of Elendil - rank 8
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Hmm bit of a no brainer for me....

Assuming he is somehow permitted total rule of Middle-earth (something which would never have happened as it went against fate itself) then Sauron would probably rule as a tyrant. But unlike Morgoth, who would have destroyed everything he could have, eventually even his own servants, to utterly mar Iluvatar's Creation, Sauron would have tried the technological route, like Saruman dabbled in, I think. Sauron was all for progress and advancements, so long as he had absolute control of the proceedings.

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Lord Elrond of Rivendell - Rank 9
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Filli,
I agree with Glorfindel 1235.
Sauron would use his control to gather to himself all of Middle-earth's resources and use his technology (like the One Ring) to dominate the rest of the world to his service.
With a shudder,
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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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Hi

Would Sauron make a move on the West ?

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Thorin Oakenshield - Rank 6
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Wouldn't be able to as it was taken out of the Circles of the World. Sauron himself might be able to find the 'Straight Road' but none of his minions could follow.

Don't forget that there are lands west and east of Middle-earth, desolate and empty, ripe for Sauron to take control of.

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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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Sauron could strap an elf to the bow of each boat

Boats full of nasty orcs

That should do the trick

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Anarion, Son of Elendil - rank 8
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Thats always been a bit of a mystery...what would happen if Elves took mortals (not permitted) with them to the West? Would they be able to find the straight road or not?

Personally I don't think so. We aren't talking about trying to trick technology here, I think the Valar would know and the ship wouldn't be able to find the way.

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Lord Elrond of Rivendell - Rank 9
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I agree with Glorfindel!
We are not talking about charging the gate at some event.
We are talking about the divine structure of Middle-Earth.


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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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Hi

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Oh and what a will!

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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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I find it interesting that Tolkien (in a 1971 letter to Roger L. Green) said that the immortals bound for Aman: '... set sail in ships specially made and hallowed for this voyage,... ' (and steered due West towards the ancient site of these lands).

There were tales and rumours that arose in any case (AKALLABETH) that forlorn Men, by some fate or grace or favour of the Valar, had entered in upon the Straight Way '... and there had looked upon the White Mountain, dreadful and beautiful, before they died.'

It might be noted that, after Tolkien had devised the Change of the World (the World made round, specifically), it seems he still imagined the frame of Elfwine the Mariner surviving a voyage to Eressea. However JRRT appears to have ultimately abandoned the Elfwine-frame, and he also was thinking of implying that a once flat earth was a wrong Mannish notion in any case, although surviving in certain texts.

Doesn't really have anything to do with Sauron, but oh well.

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This is an interesting question, and one that I have often wondered about myself. What was Sauron's real motivation in dominating Middle Earth? Morgoth had a very clear cut purpose - to utterly destroy the vision of Arda shown by Iluvatar to the Valar and prevent them from fulfilling their task. He was at war with the Valar and it was personal. He sought nothing less than to overthrow the West.

Sauron's motivations, in contrast, seemed to be far baser and lacking in depth. It appeared that all Sauron desired was power and control over others upon Middle Earth. He certainly lacked the capability to overthrow the Valar or the final will of Iluvatar. The Silmarils and all beautiful things wrought by the Elves were also forever out of his grasp. Would any amount of control over the mortal world be enough for Sauron, an immortal being? If he had the will of every living being under his power, save the Elves who escaped to the West, would it be enough? What would his mind turn to then? I imagine there are only so many trees one can rip up and Orcs one can boss around before it starts to feel a little empty.

I sometimes wonder if, after Sauron had utterly destroyed the old ways of the World, down to the very last foundation, if he would not begin to order the world  to his own liking in a manner befitting his status as a very powerful Maiar. Perhaps Sauron could never be good again, but it would make no sense for him to desire an empty, lifeless, dark and ruined planet where nothing could flourish, even his own evil creations. I wonder what kind of world Sauron would create?



-- Edited by The Secret Fire on Tuesday 28th of July 2009 02:51:30 AM

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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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Hi all

So Sauron creates his well ordered and totally under his will, "clockwork" world.

Sauron would never be able to rest, in the knowledge that the West might move on him at any time.

What could he do ?

So he might not have the sheer power or destructive force to destroy the West, but he knows of such a power.

I suggest that he would summon the boss. That Sauron would construct the means to bring Melkor down to Arda or Valinor and control him.

Seek out the West....

If it can be conceived then it can be done !


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Thorin Oakenshield - Rank 6
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I don't think he would have done either of those things Filli. While it seems likely that Sauron, if Morgoth were able to return, would fall into line, there was no way for him to bring him back. And I do not think he would have worried much from an attack from Valinor as it had been taken out of the world. Beyond all of the domination and re-ordering of Middle-earth, its hard to imagine what the long-term plans could be.

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