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Royal Guard of Menegroth - Rank 5
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Galadriel

I've seen it posted in other threads about Galadriel seeking pardon from the Valar before returning to Valinor.

I'm looking for something to substantiate that claim, as I understood that the Noldor were pardoned after the War of Wrath with the possible exception of Maglor. I thought that the Noldor who remained in Middle-Earth did so by choice, not for lack of pardon.

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 Have you tried looking in UT?

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LoL Yes, but in UT, it states that the story of Galadriel was never finished. UT is not consistent about Galadriel in regard to the Silmarillion.

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In that case then, i think it says that the noldor were allowed to go back to the blessed relm, but galadriel proudly denied it.

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That is the gist of this thread. I don't believe that Galadriel was trying to be pardoned by the Valar since she and the Noldor had already been pardoned, though many of them loved Middle-Earth or enjoyed ruling a realm within the world and so they chose to remain.

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Celethil, perhaps in The Road Goes Ever On (published by Tolkien himself) ... 



'The question s man i yulma nin enquantuva? and the question at the end of her song (Vol. I, p. 389), What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?, refer to the special position of Galadriel. She was the last survivor of the princes and queens who had led the revolting Noldor to exile in Middle-earth. After the overthrow of Morgoth at the end of the First Age a ban was set upon her return, and she had replied proudly that she had no wish to do so. She passed over the Mountains of Eredluin with her husband Celeborn (one of the Sindar) and went to Eregion.' JRRT The Road Goes Ever On 


And in 1967 (the following seems to go with the idea expressed above) Tolkien wrote: 'The Exiles were allowed to return -- save for a few chief actors in the rebellion of whom at the time of the L. R. only Galadriel remained.' JRRT Letters



 



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Thank your for clearing that up Galin, and welcome to the forum. I would suggest introducing yourself.



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Thank you Galin, though the quote you supplied seems to add to the mystery in my head. I'm assuming the Valar imposed the ban, though the quote you supplied states Galadriel's response, not the reason for the ban.

In Tolkien's later writings Galadriel is extremely opposed to the designs and plans of Feanor, so I am not sure why she is being held responsible, especially since the chief dissenters were all killed before the War of Wrath.


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I guess because she was a 'chief actor' in the Rebellion in some way. Tolkien didn't publish a lot of details on the matter, though again, the description in RGEO (what there is of it anyway), was published by the author himself at least.


In some writings (ultimately made public by Christopher Tolkien of course) JRRT appears to want to distance Galadriel from being a chief actor, but these, in any case, did not pass the same 'test' as the information in The Lord of the Rings or The Road Goes Ever On. Just to note, Tolkien did not always remember everything he had published. And he did revise some things already in print too -- when copyright concerns gave him the chance.





-- Edited by Galin at 17:20, 2006-11-14

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very interesting quote there Galin
I'd say the whole mystery surrounding the real past of Galadriel is due to the fact that Tolkien never finished working on this subject.
It was however, as CT mentions in UT, one of the last topics he worked on before he died. Unfortunately he never had the chance to give us a perhaps more clear idea of Galadriel's past, and the influence it had on her present. So I would say that it is another question left unanswered.

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