I just read it, and I must say it has been VERY interesting... I believe that in this text lie the answers to many questions close to this topic... For example it is easier for me to understand now how Frodo came to have a vision of Gandalf falling with the Balrog while he was in Emyn Muil. Clearly his love for Gandalf, and the reciprocity of the feeling made it easy for the thought to be transmited.
it would be impossible for him to have it the same time...by the time he had the vision, Gandalf had already defeated the Balrog, he had been rescued by Gwaihir and brought to Lorien, and he had already entered Fangorn and seen Treebeard I would believe that while he was in Fangorn he sent this vision to Frodo
Yes thats what I was thinking. Gandalf was meeting Treebeard in fangorn roughly when Frodo had that vision. But I know what you mean. In the film it looks like Frodo is receiving that vision whilst it is happening.
I had the EXACT same thought yesterday as I re-read that passage. I was on another forum reading some topic and came across the quote of Frodo looking from the seat in different directions. And indeed, it was Gandalf that battled Sauron.
"One such as Gandalf"? He and Sauron were both Maiar. But Tolkien confirms that Gandalf was the Voice in the chapter "The White Rider", saying "Very nearly was it [the Ring] revealed to the Enemy, but it escaped. I had some part in that: for I sat in a high place, and I strove with the Dark Tower; and the Shadow passed. Then I was weary, very weary; and I walked long in dark thought."
Plus, Gandalf was closer in location to Frodo than Sauron, and his need was more urgent. Frodo's mind was obviously not closed, either.
as far as the place he was in, I's suspect it was Caras Galadhon he had already been in Lorien for some days since he had been brought there by Gwaihir, so he had recovered and could now fight Sauron's will.
Not to throw water on the fire here but... is this violation of copyright? I don't know who owns the page, but I have seen this essay pulled from the web before due to copyright concerns.
*Edit: by the way I intend nothing negative to lord Tyrhael or anyone posting in this thread. It's just a question as I was surprised to see what looks like the whole thing on the web (again).*
I am not sure about copyright, but there are many strange pages on the net I once found a page containing the whole text of the two towers in Windows Editor format. A simple copy paste and you get your own e-book for free...dunno if the page still exists
I'll ask her the next time I talk with her if she has permission from CFH (if that's who the permission would come from) to post the excerpt from Vinyar Tengwar.
Edit: Apparently the owner of that site (Alisson R Veldhuis) isn't who I thought it was; I don't know her after all. Still nothing on whether it's got permission or not.
Oops, sorry Celebrindal, that seemed to have slipped since I haven't looked into the thread here for some time now. Links to illegal copies of Tolkien's books aren't allowed just to make it clear.
