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The Might
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Some interesting maps
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I just found some free maps on the net, that are really well done, exactly after the original LOTR map.
They are both in PDF format, and can be easily opened with Adobe Acrobat
So you might ask why are these maps better then the others?
Because the quality of these maps as printed documents is much better then that of other maps on the net.
And also they have no copyright, so anyone can copy them for free.

THE URL FOR THE COLORED MAP

At that address you'll find some info about what the best printing options for the map are, and there you can download the map.

http://www.lords-of-blah.nl/mearth/mearthmap.html

There you can find other 2 maps, one in PDF format, and another one in CORELDRAW9 format.

Anyway, I didn't post this to make publicity for these maps, as they are anyway free for all, but I personally think they are the best maps to be found on the net.
Hope you'll enjoy them.

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Earwen Arcamenel
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Thanks The Might.


Those really are the best maps I've seen on the web and they print with so much definition. Just got to decide what to do with them now...



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The Might
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nice to see you like them
well, yes the were indeed made for something like that
plus, the second map (black and white) has absolutely all names of rivers, regions and settlements from Tolkien's works

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So does the 'Stupid map' you don't like, but it also has made-up names on it.

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The Might
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well, yes
I didn't really look, but I think the other map has all of them as well

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Glorfindel
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Whats this 'stupid map' you found TM?

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The Might
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ah...no...the stupid-map thing has nothing to do
no...actually I reffered to these maps in my first post
the URL FOR THE COLOURED MAP thing is the url for the site where you can download the PDF file of the map for free
and the site address thing you can find 2 more downloadable maps, one is black and white, the second as well in CORELDRAW format.
and on the same address you can find for example a link to downloadable ME fonts
so you can download runes or cirth for Microsoft Word
so you can write a text in English for example and then transform it in runes

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Glorfindel
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Anyone after an interesting fact?


I have made some quick calculations and I have concluded that Arda was about the size of our Moon.



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The Might
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hmm...maybe that is why many people think that Arda is actually an underground realm underneath our own world...hehe
well...I guess that is indeed correct...if Middle Earth was Europe...then Arda should be much smaller then the Earth...

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Glorfindel
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But remember only northwestern ME was meant to be Europe, not all of ME.

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The Might
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yeah, yeah...everyone calls that part ME, even though it is only a part of ME
still Arda would be smaller...

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Yes as i said Arda is about the size of our Moon.

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John Wain
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Glorfindel wrote:

Anyone after an interesting fact?

I have made some quick calculations and I have concluded that Arda was about the size of our Moon.reading.gif

 

I was saying here (and was seconded in this by Ereinion) that the size of Arda as conceived by Tolkien is very small compared to that of Earth. Then I found this topic and Glorfindel's post, and I decided to make a visual comparison for everyone's benefit. I therefore created a collage. It contains (to the same scale):

- An orthographic view of the Earth (as if viewed from an infinite distance) in the upper left side

- An image of the Moon to its lower left

- A map of Arda's Second Age (copyright to Lempea Feawintil, 2003) - his/her map was 6,070 miles across, but I enlarged it slightly to 6,325 miles across the equator to correspond to the scale in Karen Fonstad's map, which I consider definitive in this regard

- A Lambert azimuthal equal-area projection of the Earth's entire surface - as the name suggests, all areas are equal, although the shapes are distorted

The diameter of the Earth is 12,756 km (7,928 miles) and its surface is 510,000,000 km^2 (or 196,996,000 sq miles).

The diameter of the Moon is 3,476 km (2,160 miles) and its surface is 37,930,000 km^2 (or 14,651,000 sq miles).

Arda's diameter before being rounded was 10,177 km (6,325 miles), and being flat, it has the surface of a circle (81,343,000 km^2 or 31,420,000 sq miles). Therefore it is over twice as large as the Moon, but still 6.27 times less than the Earth. For scale, you can see a dotted yellow line that measures 1,000 miles across drawn on the Arda map.

Even when rounded, Arda still gains significantly less surface than would be needed to reach area of the Earth.



-- Edited by John Wain on Tuesday 30th of May 2017 03:47:46 PM



-- Edited by John Wain on Tuesday 30th of May 2017 03:48:33 PM



-- Edited by John Wain on Wednesday 31st of May 2017 08:11:10 AM

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Jaidoprism7
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I don't mean to sound ignorant...but here I go....lol. Are you saying that Tolkein's Arda is smaller than the world he based his story off of? Which was our earth? He was a professor! How can someone so astute and accomplished write folly? Did he know his works were smaller or have we (the splitters of hairs) whittled his work to a state of unfascinating? Let's remind ourselves he wrote an epic fantasy as a professor. A man with a doctorate! I think this gives us fantasy-dorks a real reason to boast. JRR tolkey tolks wrote a departure....an escape... for us! Sure, he wanted to create a mythos for England, his home (which many of you already know). But in doing so he liberated minds. He must've had his fellows (aside from "The Inklings") test him about where he was headed with his new-found passion. If I missed the message...I do apologize.



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I have to ask, was Arda a globe or flat? I've always thought flat because if the Blessed Realm was reached by going across the sea only, it would have had to have been flat or else it would have been reachable from the other side by Mordor and the other eastern lands.



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Jaidoprism7
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Good point Laurelin!

I've seen flat-earth designs (artistic renderings) but maybe these are just simplifications. All things changed after Ar-Pharazon though. It's been a while.... I should fact check before I run my thumbs.

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