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The Might
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Hmmm...Interesting
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I found a very interesting map in my opinion.

THE MAP

As you can see this is a map of Europe (which in Tolkien's view was Middle-earth a long time ago)
The map probably shows Europe quite some time ago, maybe 10000 years ago or something like that...I am not sure.
Anyway, if you look it fits Middle-earth a lot.
Anyway, you can notice that back then Europe's land size was much bigger as the water level was lower. And that way you can see that Great Britain did fit the Shire.
And Germany seems to have been...Rohan...interesting.
Anyway, if you look closely you can see the light green area represents Europe today. The dark green area represents the area of Europe in the past.

Now I realise the map doesn't perfectly fit Middle-earth as we know it, but it still is an interesting map.

-- Edited by The Might at 11:01, 2006-07-09

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I am afraid there is only a slight resemblance to ME in that map TM.

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aha...and do you have a better map perhaps?
all I wanted to say is that Tolkien had good reason to associate Middle-earth with Europe, as in the past they did resemble one another.
I never said they fit perfectly...that would be impossible.
But, it could show that Europe did ar one point resemble Middle-earth in shape.

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Perhaps it does in a distorted kind of way.


Also just a small point Tolkien's world started I believe about 7000 years ago.


BTW is it possible to make the map smaller so its fits in with the forums better?



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The Might
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I posted the URL to make it fit better.
And...yes, I believe he said that Middle-earth was Europe 7000 or 8000 years ago.
So...perhaps it would somehow fit to this map, though I am not sure how old Europe was there.

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That is an interesting map.
I live right on the dot where the Shire is and there is a house near me that looks just like a hobbit hole. Cut into a hill, round door.
Coincidence?



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The Might
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I dunno...could be.
Perhaps your neighbours saw the map as well.

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Earwen Arcamenel
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Coincidence? I think not!


I live right on the south-eastern boarder of the Old Forest on that map and and about 5 miles from me (further into the forest on the map) there is a set of woods which look strangely like how the Old Forest is described!


This is definately not coincidence, maybe, probably, I'm farily sure.



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well, if you see a guy running around with some lillies in his hand singing rin a ding dillo, Tom Bombadillo, you can be sure that's the Old Forest...

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Hey TM how do you know my friday night dance routine?!

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hehe...dunno...just made a guess
so I guess you also wear a Tom Bombadil outfit...I mean...blue and yellow and brown...

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Well clearly I am being stalked, so I will take my dance routine elsewhere where it is more appreciated!

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The Might
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well...I guess you also need a Goldberry of your own for the dance routine
so you can take her with you

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Yeah good idear. TM your my new Goldberry...Come my pretty maiden with bomblydillo, a lillo, a billo!

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The Might
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ahh...nope...not really
it wouldn't work out with us...such a long distance relationship...
plus I'm not quite a River-daughter, more like a River-son
I guess you'll find a better Goldberry

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Earwen Arcamenel
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Well I haven't seen anyone like that, but I am definately going to have to keep any eye out for him.


I will let you know if I see Tom Bombadil, or Glorfindel1235...yes I am watching you!



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well according to this map, I live in Mordor



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wait a sec...are you perhaps a Romanian? that would be cool! (I am one)

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nope.I'm Hungarian.But we're neighbours

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well, not really, I'm living in Germany at the time.
well, as I see I live...in Orodruin???
cool, maybe that makes me the One Ring...
Hungary is a nice country as well, and there is really good food there...

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yep, Hungary is a nice country, but I'm not living there. I'm living in Serbia ( and it does belong to Mordor ).


and the hungarian food is awesome...now i'm hungry



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Serbia...never been there...but I hope that Serbia will manage to recover after the whole wars that took place and will perhaps one day also join the EU.
yeah, seems that most of the Balkans are Mordor...but I used to live really in the middle of it, near the Dark Tower. So that makes me...an Orc?

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Fortunatly I live in the northern part of the country aka Pannonia, and according to the map it's somewhere in the mountains . I could be wrong...


I maybe live in Mordor, but I'm no orc. But I know some ppl who are.



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I agree that this map is interesting to say the least. But if it's accurate even we would try to make it fit there, i don't think so. Tolkien did say that there's elements of Europe in his work, mythology, folktales, literature and therefore i wouldn't be surprised if Middle-Earth would have started to take a shape of Europe also in his mind as a vision of a map. It's interesting map Might and according to it, i would live somewhere far North, near Anfauglith.

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The Might
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cool...there were some good battles over there...I live...somewhere in the Gap of Rohan now...perhaps, Fords of the ISen

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LoL According to that map I live in Aman.

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Very interesting premise Might,


It funny because it seems that Italy (I'm 100% Italian...lol) is right smack in the middle of Gondor. I like it!!


 



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The Might
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wow Italy...nice girls...lots of sun...PIZZA...sounds like Gondor to me
well, of course, I personally doubt that Tolkien had such elaborate maps when he wrote the book, but it still an interesting map, and it is as close alike as our continent and ME have ever been.

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Sweet map TM. Where did you get it?


PS, I live in Valinor. Awsome!



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The Might
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I found somewhere on the net.
If I remember correctly, some students at a university came up with the idea to match the map of Arda in the Third Age with a map of the continents some thousands of years ago

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