Is the Glorfindel from the First age the same one as in the First age? I heard he and his people escaped to eagles cleft and encountered orcs and a Balrog. Glorfindel engaged in combat with the Balrog to allow the others to escape. There he perished after falling into the abyss with the Balrog.
I heard his spirit went to the halls of Waiting to be Judged. He was allowed to reincarnate because of his Heroic act to save his people let him recarnate.
Is this Glorfindel the same as the one in the Third age. I heard it is, i just want to make sure if it is True? Could someone please tell me.
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Anything we would say would be pointless, as there is no need for a discussion. All the facts and all the data to answer your question is in Home, Peoples of Middle-earth, Last Writings, Glorfindel. There CT clearly explains the topic very well, so I think none of us can make this here on the forum better than him. So I will wish you a pleasant lecture, and I hope you will find your answer there.
As TM says it's all right there for you. "Sacrifice" is an important quality in LOTR. Gandalf was sent back after he was killed by the Balrog, by Eru because he had sacrificed his life to stop the Balrog. As no one else of the Fellowship could do that. Just as Glorfindel sacrificed his life and he was reincarnated.
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Boromir and TM, you must remember that not everyone has access to the HoMe series, and so simply saying "look it up yourself" does not suffice. It's true that there's a clear answer in this case, but it would be courteous of you to supply the quote(s) just in case Khamul does not own The Peoples of Middle-earth.
First, let us disprove the idea that they are two different people entirely.
"At any rate what at first sight may seem the simplest solution must be abandoned: sc. that we have merely a reduplication of names, and that Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell were different persons. This repetition of so striking a name, though possible, is not credible. (7) No other major character in the Elvish legends as reported in The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings has a name borne by another Elvish person of importance." (HoMe Vol. XII, Last Writings)
So they cannot have been different people, leaving only the option that they are one and the same.
And one final note: Boromir, Gandalf was not sent back because he sacrificed himself to defeat the Balrog. He was sent back because his task (defeating Sauron) was not yet finished, and he leaves Middle-earth almost immediately after accomplishing this task.
You're right, I do think it's a stupid idea. Why post the entire section when you only need one or two quotes to answer the question whether or not the two Glorfindels are the same? Plus it's infringement of the copyright of The Peoples of Middle-earth to cite such a large quantity of the text.
"Is the Glorfindel from the First age the same one as in the First [Third?] age?" and then "Is this Glorfindel the same as the one in the Third Age. I heard it is, i just want to make sure if its True?"
It's a yes or no question, not some huge scholarly debate, that one quote easily answers.
well, I don't likr to complicate things...even though the quote does answer it, maybe Khamul wishes more information then only that, maybe more explanations. Anyway, if Khamul wishes more information, he can look at the HOME, if he has it...
