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Topic: 7 Fathers?

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Orc captain of Morgul - Rank 5
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7 Fathers?

If, as has been told, only Seven Fathers of the Dwarves were created, how did the race procreate?
This is something that I just can't get my head around. Does anyone have ideas?



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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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Tolkien answered it.
There is no need to think the fathers were gay or anything, the were not alone.
Now we all know the story about only 7 dwarves in the start
but Tolkien solved the problem later.
In Letter no. 212 Tolkien speaks of thirteen dwarves being initially created: "One, the eldest, alone, and six more with six mates." Thus, it seems that Durin really did "walk alone" as Gimli's song said.


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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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That seems pretty conclusive. However I wonder if the 'Seven Dwarf fathers' were the Seven that Sauron gave the Rings to. They may all, like Durin, be able to reincarnate?

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The fate of the dwarves is unknown...

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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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So was the fate of Amandil, but if you ask me, judging by the readiness of the Valar I think he may have made it even if it cost him his life.

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NO mos111
but that is a very often made mistake.
many people think that seven fits seven. but it was not the seven fathers that received the rings, but some lords of the dwarves

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Anarion, Son of Elendil - rank 8
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Can you quote that TM? I beleive Durin who was reincarnated was one of the Dwarven Ring Bearers therefore it is at least possible that the others were.

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Orc captain of Morgul - Rank 5
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Can you back your statement up with quotes Glorfindel?

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Anarion, Son of Elendil - rank 8
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What I am saying is that its a possibility. TM is trying to block it out altogether. If I was saying it was a definate I would have to use quotes but as I am only saying it was a possibility then TM has to find some stating that it could not be possible whatsoever.

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no need for quarrel
I looked it up
and glorfindel is indeed correct
I wanted to say in my last post he didn't give the rings to all the fathers, but indeed he did give one to a father
we know 6 were given to dwarf-lords, but we are not told if they belonged to different houses of the dwarves
all we know is that Durin III got one and was the only father to get one

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