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Tower Guard of Minas Tirith - Rank 4
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Date: Sep 5, 2011
cold-drakes

There are three breeds of dragons this I know. The fire-drakes or uruloki, wingless with the ability to breath fire. The winged dragons, name says it all. And the cold-drakes. They could not fly and I don't think they could breathe fire. The complete guide to middle earth by robert foster says that they were only found in the Ered Mithrin; the grey mountains just north of Mirkwood. My question is this: Were these mountains really the only place the Cold-drakes were found? And, did these dragons survive past the third age?

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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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Foster is usually pretty accurate -- within the context of Tolkien-published works plus the Silmarillion.

 

However Foster is a secondary source, and did not intend to incorporate everything Tolkien ever wrote but never himself published (like Unfinished Tales or The History of Middle-Earth material). Tthat's no help, I know, but I can say that dragons in general survived the Third Age, and JRRT even commented in a letter that if he had somewhere suggested the end of dragons that it must be corrected.

 

Tolkien had not suggested the end of dragons, in any case (that I recall).

 

The events of the Third Age are imagined as a very distant past, and so, for example, the dragons of the Beowulf tale or the Arthurian saga are still, well, dragons of some kind of course, but in any event they existed after Frodo's time.

 

So unless dragons had begun again somewhow (which seems less likely than continuing on I guess), in a sense it was important to JRRT that some had survived his tales -- or at least that he had never implied every dragon was dead by the end of the Third Age, as they appeared in other tales imagined to take place after Frodo's day.

 

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Tower Guard of Minas Tirith - Rank 4
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That makes sense Galin. I suppose they, the cold-drakes, would have most likely been in many diferent areas and not just the grey mountains as the fourth age progressed.

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Thorin Oakenshield - Rank 6
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How many breeds of dragon are there? I can count:

Wingless cold-drakes.
Wingless fire-drakes.
Winged fire-drakes.

Are there anymore? Long-worms for example?

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Tower Guard of Minas Tirith - Rank 4
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this i do not know Bilbo. i checked the complete guide to middle-earth like i said, and thos were the three that Robert Foster said existed. beyond that i do not know

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Tom Bombadil
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Don't forget "Sea Serpent" and "Rain-drake"
They are creatures of the Drake-kind. A unique dragon of the water is Eärcaraxë, which may be played keyed to coastal regions and sites.
An individual Water-drake, Séahmatha (meaning "Lake Serpent" in the tongue of the Northmen), inhabits the Long Lake

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