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Elf of Rivendell - Rank 2
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sanw-kenta

Have other people read this essay by Tolkien on semi-'telepathy'?
Cf. [edited out link]

-- Edited by Tyrhael at 17:31, 2007-05-21

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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I just read it, and I must say it has been VERY interesting...
I believe that in this text lie the answers to many questions close to this topic...
For example it is easier for me to understand now how Frodo came to have a vision of Gandalf falling with the Balrog while he was in Emyn Muil. Clearly his love for Gandalf, and the reciprocity of the feeling made it easy for the thought to be transmited.

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Yeah I didn't get that part. Was Frodo meant to be having the vision the same time as it was happening? It is portrayed that way in the films...

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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it would be impossible for him to have it the same time...by the time he had the vision, Gandalf had already defeated the Balrog, he had been rescued by Gwaihir and brought to Lorien, and he had already entered Fangorn and seen Treebeard
I would believe that while he was in Fangorn he sent this vision to Frodo

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Yes thats what I was thinking. Gandalf was meeting Treebeard in fangorn roughly when Frodo had that vision. But I know what you mean. In the film it looks like Frodo is receiving that vision whilst it is happening.

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Elf of Rivendell - Rank 2
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To me a better reference for the occurance of sanw would be Frodo on Amon Hen.

Then as a flash from some other point of power there came to his mind another though: Take it off! Take it off! Fool, take it off! Take off the Ring!

In that occasion, Sauron's will was the "Eye", but the "Voice" was Gandalf, newly reincarnated.

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I had the EXACT same thought yesterday as I re-read that passage. I was on another forum reading some topic and came across the quote of Frodo looking from the seat in different directions.
And indeed, it was Gandalf that battled Sauron.

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How could Gandalf have one such a battle? Particulaly since overcoming wills is Sauron's domain.

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Elf of Rivendell - Rank 2
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"One such as Gandalf"? He and Sauron were both Maiar. But Tolkien confirms that Gandalf was the Voice in the chapter "The White Rider", saying "Very nearly was it [the Ring] revealed to the Enemy, but it escaped. I had some part in that: for I sat in a high place, and I strove with the Dark Tower; and the Shadow passed. Then I was weary, very weary; and I walked long in dark thought."

Plus, Gandalf was closer in location to Frodo than Sauron, and his need was more urgent. Frodo's mind was obviously not closed, either.

-- Edited by Tyrhael at 02:22, 2006-12-29

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as far as the place he was in, I's suspect it was Caras Galadhon
he had already been in Lorien for some days since he had been brought there by Gwaihir, so he had recovered and could now fight Sauron's will.

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Not to throw water on the fire here but... is this violation of copyright? I don't know who owns the page, but I have seen this essay pulled from the web before due to copyright concerns.


*Edit: by the way I intend nothing negative to lord Tyrhael or anyone posting in this thread. It's just a question as I was surprised to see what looks like the whole thing on the web (again).*



Galin 



-- Edited by Galin at 17:39, 2006-12-29

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Then I better read it fast so I can comment.

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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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LOL Then I guess I've fanned the flame rather than dousing it


 



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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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I am not sure about copyright, but there are many strange pages on the net
I once found a page containing the whole text of the two towers in Windows Editor format.
A simple copy paste and you get your own e-book for free...dunno if the page still exists

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Elf of Rivendell - Rank 2
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I'll ask her the next time I talk with her if she has permission from CFH (if that's who the permission would come from) to post the excerpt from Vinyar Tengwar.

Edit: Apparently the owner of that site (Alisson R Veldhuis) isn't who I thought it was; I don't know her after all. Still nothing on whether it's got permission or not.

-- Edited by Tyrhael at 23:43, 2007-03-06

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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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OK, sorry to derail the discussion anyway!


Onward



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thank you :)

-- Edited by Celebrindal at 22:31, 2007-05-21

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Oops, sorry Celebrindal, that seemed to have slipped since I haven't looked into the thread here for some time now.
Links to illegal copies of Tolkien's books aren't allowed just to make it clear.

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