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Lee
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The Battle of the Five Armies

This was always my favorite battle until the conflict at Pelennor Fields, and is still my second-favorite Tolkien-made battle. Does anyone else have any opinions about the Battle of the Five Armies?

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Its an interesting battle. One of a kind with all those species fighting eachother. Although I would not say its one of my favourite I did not expect such a dramatic ending at the end of The Hobbit.



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me neither, the book was pretty calm, except some battles from time to time
I though that after some negociations peache would be reached between the dwarves and the elves and all would go home...but no...

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I loved the battle of five armies. Athough, I do have one question.


The first four armies were; elves, men, dwarves, and orcs. but was the fifth army the eagles or the wolves. Please don't think of me as an idiot this has just been buging my for a while.



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Eagles.

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But really there was six armies: Orcs, Wolves, Elves, Men, Dwarves, Eagles

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I am sorry to say this, but you are all wrong.

"So began a battle that none had expected; and it was called the Battle of Five Armies, and it was very terrible. Upon one side were the Goblins and the wild Wolves, and upon the other were Elves and Men and Dwarves."
The Hobbit 17 The Clouds Burst

Tolkien is once again very clear, the armies of the Wargs and of the Orcs on one side, fighting against the Dwarves of the Company, and those led by Dain, the Elves of Thranduil, and lastly the Men of Esgaroth.

Eagles, are not counted as an army, for reasons on which I could only speculate. Perhaps they were too few in numbers, perhaps because they entered the battle only towards the end. Beorn is probably also not a member of any of the armies, beeing just like the eagles someone that enters the battle after its beginning, and fights on the side of the good guys.

And Bilbo himself, is also probably not member of any of the armies, considering that a hobbit army can't only have 1 soldier.

And the same goes for Gandalf.

-- Edited by The Might at 12:41, 2006-10-05

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Thanks for clearing that up TM.


Also, that was one huge army of orcs and wargs that the; dwarves, men, elves, eagles, Beorn, Gandalf, and Bilbo (if he counts) bairly won. There most of been tens of thousands of them.


 



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I don't know how many, but I doubt so many.

On one side we have over 500 dwarves of the Iron Hills, over 1000 elves of the Woodland Realm, 13 dwarves of Erebor, an unknown number of men of Lake-town and Eagles, and Beorn.
On the other an unknown but large number of orcs, wargs and Mirkwood vampire bats, outnumbering the opposing force.

All we know is that the good armies were strong enough to almost completely destroy their enemies, as we are told in the end.

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If anyone has a copy of the Atlas of middle-earth, it might be in there.

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does anyone perhaps have it as an e-book?

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I doubt that can be done becuase of all the maps, some of which stretch across 2 pages.

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the ebook is available on online shops I already saw it there.
but I don't want to buy it, thought someone might own it.

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lol, I just downloaded it
it is indeed a nice book, though some maps that were to big are in 2 pieces on 2 pages
but it is ok
I personally like the book, it is nice and it gives nice illustrations to help one better understand the story

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So TM, do you have some numbers of orcs?



-- Edited by Gil Galad at 17:03, 2006-10-06

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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no, no way to surely know how many

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Honor, Freedom, Fatherland
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So, should I get it?

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get what? the book?
yeah, I personally think the book is very well done, and very objectively.
Not very much fantasy in the book, just clear, objective data from the books used to create very veridic images that help you understand what happened in ME and in Beleriand better.

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Cool. I'll get it with my next paycheck.

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