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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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Mithril

Was there Mithril in Numenor? It says that only Khazad-dum possessd Mithril in Middle-earth but as Numenor is no more part of Middle-earth than Valinor is then would Mithril be found there?

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There are indications that mithril was also found in Aman and Numenor, that is certain.
And also we know the Numeroneans used mithril very much, King Tar-Telemmaitë became so greedy for mithril that it gave him his name - Telemmaitë means 'silverhand'.
The best indication is note nr 31 in The Silmarillion, as we are told:
For that metal was found in Númenor. [Author's note.] – In "The Line of Elros" (p.232) Tar-Telemmaitë, the fifteenth Ruler of Númenor, is said to have been called so (i.e. "silver-handed") because of his love of silver, "and he bade his servants to seek ever for mithril." But Gandalf said that mithril was found in Moria "alone in the world" (The Fellowship of the Ring II 4).
But if we think about it it all makes a lot of sense. Gandalf said that at the end of the Third Age, when Numenor was long gone under the sea, so we don't need to think Gandalf was wrong, he just reffered to the fact that the mithril in Numenor was all long gone. And about Aman, well as we know it was no longer part of "the world" as it was moved by the Valar away from the reach of men.

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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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Thanks for that The Might.

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no problem...also I would like to add that there might again have been also other hidden mithril deposits deep below the earth, but of course these are the only ones we know about

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The Might - A small point - The Valar did not move Valinor out of the 'Circles of the world' Eru did.

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'They  came  here  because  of  Mithril,'  said  Gandalf. 'It  was for that  that  Moria  was  of  old  chiefly  renowned,   and  it   was  the foundation  of  the   wealth  and   power  of   Durin:  only   in  Moria was   mithril   found   save  rarely   and  scantily.   Moria-silver  or true-silver  some  have  called  it.  Mithril was  the Elvish  name: the dwarves  have  a  name  which  they  will  not   tell.  Its   value  was thrice  that  of  gold,  and  now  is  beyond  price.  It was  nearly as heavy  as  lead,  malleable  as  copper,  but   the  dwarves   could  by some secret  of theirs  make it  as hard  as [>  harder than]  steel. It surpassed  common silver  in all  save beauty,  and even  in that  it is its  equal.  [Added: It  was used  by the  Elves who  dearly loved  it - among  many  other  things   they  [?wrought]   it  to   make  ithildin.


Also  perhaps  to  be  placed  here:  ...  the  dwarflords   of  Khazad-dum  were   wealthier than   any  of   the  Kings   of  Men,   and  the traffic  to  the  Gates  brought  them  jewels  and  treasure  from many lands  of  East and  West.) Bilbo  had a  corslet of  mithril-rings that Thorin  gave  him.  I  wonder what  he did  with it.  I never  told him, but  its  worth  was   greater  than   the  value   of  the   Shire  and everything in it.'(14)"     


(The treason of Isengard)


 


I thought this was a quote of importance. Note the bolded part. Although Moria was its true origin it could be found in small amounts in other places.


                                            



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there is no origin for mithril
it is a metal and as all other metals it is found in the earth.
the fact it was found in Moria is because the Dwarves dug very deep to find it
but Moria was by far not the only place for mithril
and I would not say small ammounts in other place as the Numernoneans had it, and we are not told that only in small ammount

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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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No origin was the wrong word. I meant source.

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