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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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Mt Doom

What made MT doom so hot? The lava that came from it is the same that comes from any volcano, as it comes from deep earth. Why would mt Doom be so extra hot to destroy the ruling ring?



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Well for one thing, it's the only volcano in the west of Middle-Earth that is mentioned.  So quite simply, it would not have to be any hotter than the others if no one knew about them.

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Yep, it wouldn't have to be any hotter than a regular volcano. Not to mention, it was where the ring was forged... and I suppose if there had been another volcano the ring could have been unmade elsewhere, though I'm not entirely sure of this.

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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"Not even the anvils and furnaces of the Dwarves could do that. It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself. There is only one way: to find the Cracks of Doom in the depths of Orodruin, the Fire-mountain, and cast the Ring in there, if you really wish to destroy it, to put it beyond the grasp of the Enemy for ever."
it is indeed the only volcano where the ring could have been destroyed and that is why Sauron chose that place in the first place.

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Not to be overly argumentative or anything, but we don't really know that do we? Since we don't know of any other volcano, we can't know for sure that Mount Doom was the only one that could have melted the ring. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that there's a possibility had there been another volcano that it could have also melted the ring...

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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I am sure that if there had been any other way it would have been used. For example flying with the Eagles in the East or South and destroying the Ring would have been a real possibility. But as Gandalf, which let us remember was the wisest of the Maiar said this is the only way I doubt there were other places. Also Sauron probably knew the East very well as he hid himself there and if he had a better possibility to forge the Ring there I think he would have used it. So I doubt there was another place.

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Right...what I meant was that had there been another volcano in Middle-earth that it might have worked just as well as Mount Doom. I have no idea if there was another volcano or not, it's purely theory. If Mount Doom is the only volcano then no doubt it is the only one that could be used to destroy the ring.

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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ummm...again my annoying side...do you have any quotes there was any other volcano as hot as Mt Doom?

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Atan, that was my point exactly.


Might, even in your quote, Orodruin is referred to as the Fire-Mountain (note the singular).  If there are no other volcanic mountains in the region, then Orodruin would be the only way to melt it, even if a volcano in general would be sufficient.



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That's okay, I'm annoying and rather persistant myself! No, I don't know of any other volcano. I'm saying that if there was another volcano that it might very well have worked! I'm sorry my posts have been rather confusing...

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Well the temperature of a volcano does actually vary depending on how active it is, so there is a chance that Mount Doom would have been hotter than any other volcano in Middle Earth, assuming that it was more active than the others, and that the same rules as apply in real life applied in ME as well.  However, I don't think that it is actually solely the volcano's temperature that made it the only place that the ring could be destroyed.  It is the fact that it was the very place where it was forged.



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I'm not entirely sure about that. Is there anything to suggest that it really had to be Mount Doom? I mean, if there were another volcano (of the same temperature) in Middle earth is it possible that it would work just as well? Can anyone find a quote on this?

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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there are no such quotes...all we are told is the only known place wherethe ring could have been destroyed was Mt Doom

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Maiar
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Ahh...well, it's too bad! If someone could have found one it really would have helped to clear this issue up...I think at this point we're just speculating as to what could have happened

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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Atavarne, with all dew respect you are the only one that is speculating, and you seem to do this in many other lore threads.
I do not say you can't get your ideas cleared up, but the lore threads are for lore, not speculation...I will give as example your post in nameless creatures
you have no lore based answer
no quotes
it makes no sense
why did you post it?

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Also, Sauron bound many spells into the making of the one ring. If that magic included the place it was forged, then the magic would have to be undone in the place it was forged. Since we know that it was forged in Mt. Doom, then Mt. Doom was the most likely, and from what I can gather, the only place it could have been destroyed.

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Scotta- You are correct. The only place the ring could be destroyed in Middle Earth was Orodruin, or Mt. Doom. That was part of the reason it took so long for the ring and its master to be destroyed.


As for there being any other volcanoes in ME, I have never seen any mention of any, but I am not about to say there weren't any, especially in the lands of the Haradrim, or further south and east. There is not much mention on that area.



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To put another perspective on things, Sauron - although he learned far more from Celebrimbor and the Gwaith-i-Mirdain than they had thought they were teaching him - never mastered their skills with furnaces, perhaps due to impatience, and was unable to replicate their magical fires himself. Thus he was forced to look for the hottest natural furnace he could find in Middle Earth - Orodruin.


As to other volcanoes, I have no idea...



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I doubt it...I think he used Orodruin on purpose, not only because he could not replicate the fires of the Elves. As Gandalf says in lotr:
"Your small fire, of course, would not melt even ordinary gold. This Ring has already passed through it unscathed, and even unheated. But there is no smith’s forge in this Shire that could change it at all. Not even the anvils and furnaces of the Dwarves could do that. It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself. There is only one way: to find the Cracks of Doom in the depths of Orodruin, the Fire-mountain, and cast the Ring in there, if you really wish to destroy it, to put it beyond the grasp of the Enemy for ever."
I think Sauron was well aware that Orodruin was the best choice, and that is why he chose it to make the ring.

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Best/Only choice!



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Even if there was another volcano, is it possible that this would be the quickest and safest journey to take...

I will have to stick with both sides till I come to a better conclusion.

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There was no other way.

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