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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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RE: Greatest Man

America has a language of its own? No offence Celethil but pull the other one! You use the OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY I believe or is there a special one for Americans?

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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I believe it is safe to say that there are enough differences to consider this a dialect, and thus another branch of the language, thus a more or less different language from the original
but let's not get carried away now
I believe the topic of the thread is the greatest Man, so...I am going to just keep this thread on its intended course by saying Beorn is one of my favourites
by far not the greatest Man alive, but I have always been fascinated by the Beornings
it is I guess the magical part in them that intrigues me.
and let's not forget, tolkien did call Beorn a magician

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I will return to the topic once I address the British still trying to tell us what we use. The OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY is a wonderful resource, though hardly the one most used in the US. I've always used that special one, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary which was formerly the AMERICAN DICTIONARY of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

LoL I'll bet British history books say that America was disowned, that the king just didnt want it anymore.




Back to topic. Beren was the greatest man.

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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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Celethil - I don't mean any personal offence to you of course but can you not see that there is only a few dozen words that are actually different from the true English language? I would barely say its enough to form another branch of English. And besides on most forums, whether American or not, if someone is trying to find the meaning of a word they always turn to the best English language dictionary there is (the one Tolkien helped make) the Oxford English dictionary.


Back to Topic - Earendil or Turin is the Greatest Man.



-- Edited by The One at 14:18, 2006-10-05

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ok, ok, ok...enough of languages
in the end, Beorn made better cookies then Beren, or Earendil or Turin!

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TM - I would never say 'enough of languages' in a Tolkien Forum, since the man himself was enamoured with languages.

To say that there are only a few dozen different words between American and British English is simplistic. Besides the different words there are different meanings (morphology) for common words and there is substantial difference in syntax to say that American English is a dialect of British English.

Whilst (had to throw that in) I am aware of many people who use the Oxford English Dictionary (I do use it myself from time to time), I can say from an American perspective that it is not the most widely used dictionary in the US, but rather secondary to Webster's.


I would be glad to continue this in another thread if you feel the need. Btw I did not take offense. I have no problems letting you know if I did and I am sure you would afford me the same courtesy.

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You have your thread now.
Btw, I find it strange tha on this forum using a word can start a really big discussion.
From now on please comment what I say and not how I say it.
And constantly interrupting the discussion in a thread is not kewl.

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LOL, TM you finally setelled the matter and then start it up again.


And to your vote of Beorn. I think that since they are called Beornings  and not Men; that he does not count.


But yes, Beorn does make the greatest cokies.



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Beorn was a shape-shifter, a man who could assume the appearance of a great black bear.
Before the time of the War of the Ring, Beorn had become a leader of Men which included other shape-shifters, and woodsmen. His people were known as the Beornings, and they helped defend Thranduil's kingdom at northern Mirkwood. He died some time before the War of the Ring itself began, and was succeeded by his son Grimbeorn the Old.
They were all however Men.
And yes, the cookies are probably especially good because of the honey he uses.

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I have just found a quote in The Silmarillion:


"But it is said that Húrin would not live thereafter, being bereft of all purpose and desire, and cast himself at last into the western sea; and so ended the mightiest of the warriors of mortal Men."


 


I would not have said that Hurin surpassed his son but...



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Hmm... I think I remember someone saying that before.

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In another thread I saw the quote from the Silmarillion that states the regaining of a Silmaril was the greatest deed of Elf or Man.

I guess that doesnt make Beren the greatest man, though he did the greatest deed. If that makes sense.

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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Beorn really gets far too little credit...

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Why do you think Beorn is so mighty TM? He was strong yes and could turn into a bear. But its not just phisical strength we are talking about.

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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if you would read my other posts, which I guess you haven't you would notice that I simply like Beorn more, not that I consider him the greatest man really
it's a joke actually...

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I say that elendil is the mightys man because he was the high king of gondor and arnor , and his sword makes saron fill with fear.

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