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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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Date: Jun 12, 2015
Tragedy

Not all tears are evil.

And through my years tragedy means different things.

Now the tales of Arda are tragic and trough that, they are so beautiful.

Please indulge me with your top 3 most tragic Tolkien moments.



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Haldir of Lorien - Rank 6
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I agree with your sentiments, that tragedy changes with age. The saddest, but maybe not tragic, is Arwen and Elrond's farewell. Though it is not discussed in detail, it hurts. True tragedy for me is that Gollum couldn't be saved.

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Lord Elrond of Rivendell - Rank 9
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For me the three saddest are ...

The "Kinslaying" of the Teleri for their ships ...

Frodo saying goodbye to Sam at the Grey Havens ...

The Fall of Fingolfin in mortal combat with Morgoth ...

There are so many ...
The parting of Arwen and Elrond hits so close with all fathers who must let their daughters go ...

Very interesting question Filli!



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Samwise Gamgee - rank 9
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Well speaking subjectively I think the Gollum situation had the biggest effect on me. Particularly when he has his moment of doubt outside the lair of Shelob. I think Tolkien captured that really well. The film didn't have the same impact. I think they leaned too harshly towards Gollum's bad side in the film, whereas you get a more balanced and nuanced impression from the book. I don't think many tears were shed in cinemas when Gollum was swallowed up by the lava.

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Haldir of Lorien - Rank 6
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I would agree that the film version was sort of, well, blah. Except, there was one shot of Gollum's face and the joy as he's falling to his doom. That made me sad. Self-destruction of any sort makes me sad, especially when the person/creature doesn't see what they are doing to themselves and possibly can't help it. I wonder if JRRT had any experience with that or, possibly through the war, knew people with that experience.



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Hobbit from Hobbiton - Rank 4
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I think I could write a book about self destruction.

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An interesting thought about self-destruction. It wasn't really obvious to me that what happened to Gollum was self-destruction - wasn't it rather an accident? Still tragic, I agree.
And self-destruction is indeed tragic. Two episodes of it that feel tragic are
- Maedhros taking a Silmaril with him into a fiery chasm (thus fulfilling the Oath; although everything related to the Oath of Feanor is tragic) ;
- Nienor casting herself over the brink of Cabed-en-Aras.
But the third most tragic thing (on my list) isn't about self-destruction. It is the story of love between Aegnor and Andreth.


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Thorin Oakenshield - Rank 6
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On a larger scale the whole history of the Noldor in the First Age is tragic, to say the least. The way the greatest Elves fell so far. The rise of fall of the Beleriand kingdoms.

On a smaller scale who can compete with the curse of Hurin?

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