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Topic: Where in Beleriand does Morgoth reside???

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Being lies with Eru - Rank 1
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Date: Apr 15, 2012
Where in Beleriand does Morgoth reside???

The Sil contains an excellent map of the Beleriand,however the locations of Angband/Thangorodrim are not mentioned there. It appears to be somewhere to the north of Anfauglith obviously,but i am confused regarding the exact location. Could someone please help me out?? Also,why did Tolkien not mark the locations of Morgoth's strongholds,unlike those of Sauron's in the 2nd and 3rd Ages(i.e. Mordor)??



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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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Hello Gothmog. The geography of the North is a bit tricky! For example, on Tolkien's second Silmarillion map the distance between Menegroth and Thangorodrim is 218.75 miles (just under 73 leagues). Yet in The Grey Annals (written by JRRT in the 1950s) however, we have a distance of 150 leagues (450 miles) from Angband's gate to Menegroth. Christopher Tolkien notes that this... 

'... seems to imply a great extension of the northern plain. The geography of the far North is discussed in V. 270-2, but since it is impossible to say how my father came to conceive it I discreetly omitted all indication of the Iron Mountains and Thangorodrim from the map drawn for the published Silmarillion.' Christopher Tolkien

 

However that hasn't stopped others, using such details as exist, from trying to make maps of the far North -- like KW Fonstad for example, who published a book of maps about Tolkien's World.

 

If you want to see what Tolkien himself indicated however, I would point you to The History of Middle-Earth volumes, especially The War of the Jewels and The Lost Road And other Writings (the latter being volume five, as Christopher mentions above). Tolkin's own map as reproduced in The War of the Jewels shows more of the North than Christopher Tolkien dared to for the 1977 Silmarillion (given the confusions noted).

 

Another example of the unfinished state of the work I'm afraid.



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Tower Guard of Minas Tirith - Rank 4
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I think another usefull book is Karen Wynn Fonstad's the atlas of middle-earth. Has many many great maps in it that I myself found very helpful.

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Being lies with Eru - Rank 1
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Indeed in The War of the Jewels there is a map that shows Thangorodrim in plain sight. I believe it is in the section "Of Maeglin" and also in some earlier section, that is, repeated in the same book for convenience.

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I believe Glorfindel's numbers check out (See post #2 in this thread). 218.75 miles North by north east of Gondolin.

In my opinion disturbingly close...but then so was Mordor in respect to The Tower of Guard.

Then again; it is 270 miles from Los Angeles to Las Vegas (typically) a 4 hour drive. That's far....but in lieu of Thangorodrim not far enough.

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