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Slaves of Udun - Rank 1
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Fate of the Ents

Does anyone know what happens to the Ents after the war of the ring ended?

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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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If you mean in the long run, in 1944 Tolkien himself said he didn't 'yet' know.

Much later, in 1972, he said he did not know about the Ents ever finding the Entwives, but added: 'But I think in Vol. II pp. 80-81 it is plain that there would be for Ents no re-union in 'history' -- but Ents and their wives being rational creatures would find some 'earthly paradise' until the end of the world: beyond which the wisdom neither of Elves nor Ents could see. Though maybe they shared the hope of Aragorn that they were 'not bound for ever to the circles of the world and beyond them is more than memory'. 

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Lord Elrond of Rivendell - Rank 9
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My imagination, and Tolkien's words, leads me to think that there was a reunion.
Sam is at the Green Dragon tavern in the Shire and is having a conversation with Ted Sandyman (an obnoxious little twerp) when Sam says, "All right....but what about these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors not long back." - (Fellowship of the Ring-The Shadow of the Past)
So I see Ents as at least bar talk even before Merry and Pippin's encounter with Treebeard. And, as Merry and Pippin are probably telling tall stories of their journeys, the Tree-men would become topics of speculation.
My fantasy is that the Tree-men Sam mentions are really encounters with Ent-Wives.
What fuels this "fantasy" is that fact that the Shire is an agricultural place, where farmers like Maggot are held in honor and respect, and creatures like Ent-Wives would feel at home.
There are also a couple of quotes in the Two Towers.
Treebeard is having Pippin and Merry tell of their journey and all the different kingdoms and lands that are outside of his world. "He made them describe the Shire and its fcountry over and over again. He said an odd thing at this point. "You never see any, hm, any Ents round there,do you?' he asked."Well, not Ents, Entwives I should really say."
"Entwives?" said Pippin, "Are they like you at all?"
"Yes, hm, well no: I do not really know now," said Treebeard thoughtfully."But they would like you country, so I just wondered."

Another quote. Treebeard is saying,"...There have been no Entings - no children, you would say, not for a terrible long count of years. You see, we lost the Entwives." Pippin, an ever impetuous type character, expresses his sympathy and asks," How was it that they all died?" Treebeard responds, "They did not die!...We lost them, I said. We lost them and we cannot find them." He sighed. " I thought most folk knew that. There were songs qabout the hunt of the Ents for the Entwives sung among Elves and Men from Mirkwood to Gondor. they cannot be quite forgotten."

So to extrapolate...Sam sends Pippin & Merry to visit Treebeard after he tells them of the sighting of the Tree - men.(this is not in Tolkien...this is just Bear's imagination.) It turns out the Tree-men on the North Moors are Entwives. There is a reunion and (after a few Ent-draughts) a revitalization of the Ent race. In gratitude the Ents and Entwives share their knowledge and skill with the Shire-folk and some hobbits become forest rangers and agricultural managers and the Shire becomes the most beautiful garden in Middelearth.

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Witchking of Angmar - Rank 10
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I believe that if you will search the forums you will find an identical forum.
Anyways, again here is the best link for this, a great essay written by Ardamir on Ents and Entwives: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/User:Ardamir/Essays/Entwives

To sum up all that is said about Ents... it is possible, perhaps for some even plausible, but definitely not certain that Entwives still existed.

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He called his wife Fimbrethil, and in a poem he recited, he mentioned that seh was a Rowan. "Oh Rowan mine, how you didst shine..." "Upon your head so golden-red, the crown you bore aloft." So one might follwo that the Entwives could be trees that just became trees. But in the etymologies it also says that the correct name should be according to the 1966 Index that Fimbrethil should be translated as 'slim-birch' and in Appendix F 'slender-beech', not Rowan. So since there were lots of Birches in England, and Tolkien used England as a guide for the Shire, those Birch trees in the Shire, could very be Entwives


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Lord Elrond of Rivendell - Rank 9
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Arwen,
Are there other poems by the Ents that are not in LOTR ?.
How did welding class go?

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Welding Class went great. Although my body is protesting the new stresses I put on it. I have not been on my feet for over 7 hours a day in several years. So I am sore when I get home. About Entish poetry, maybe they have some in the HoME series, but right now I can't think of any right off hand without having to search for it.

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Fundin, Lord of Moria - Rank 5
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ArwenLegolas wrote:

He called his wife Fimbrethil, and in a poem he recited, he mentioned that seh was a Rowan. "Oh Rowan mine, how you didst shine..." "Upon your head so golden-red, the crown you bore aloft." ...





At first I thought you meant Tolkien called his wife Fimbrethil, and wrote a poem to her about a rowan... though reading it more carefully I think you might mean Treebeard -- but the part quoted is from Bregalad's song.

I'm confused biggrin

A bit more on brethil: in Words, Phrases and Passages Tolkien noted that the Sindarin name brethil for the 'silver birch' was probably derived from a base BARATH- as was the word bereth: 'since this tree was an emblem of Elbereth, was associated by Elves with the stars, and the word by them often interpreted as 'daughter of the Queen, princess'. Fuller forms nimbrethil 'white princess' and fimbrethil 'slender princess' were also used (...) The ordinary non-mythological word for birch was Q hwinde S. chwind, whinn.'


Edit: typo 'stats' to 'stars'

-- Edited by Galin at 12:53, 2008-05-23

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Try high-lighting your post and colouring it in white. If that doesn't work try black and it might appear white once you press submit.

And also you can delete most of the "edited by Bear at....." parts as well.

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Thank you.  I'll try it.  Again - tank u very buch!

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It was written in the LotR that towards the end of the third age, many of the Ents were becoming "tree-ish". I beleive that over time, the Ents aged out, being at this time at least tens of thousands of years old, and became more tree-ish, eventually becoming rooted in forests or were cut down by those looking for firewood. A very sad end to a wonderful and peaceful race of beings created by Yavanna to defend the Olvar.

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Tom Bombadil
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Sounds like it could be azaghal, but I still prefer to think that there are still Ents roaming MIddle-earth somewhere

Bear, you sound like Bilbo after that wet ride on a barrel. Are you having a cold?

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The real trick would be to pin point the area Treebeard had spoken of about the Ent-wives. He said they had traveled far and kept fields. To me, by the description Treebeard gives it sounds a lot like Ithilien. But if they (the Ent-wives) ventured North-east into the lands north of the Ered Lithui (Ash Mountains) of Mordor, then few legend seekers can say for sure. Little is said about the wide lands south of Rhun and east of Mirkwood.

 

Perhaps only the Beornings can say for sure.  Maybe Radagast...!?



-- Edited by Jaidoprism7 on Sunday 23rd of September 2012 05:39:54 AM

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it was written in The LotR's that the Entwives worked beautiful gardens in what is now (at the time of the War of the Ring) The Brown Lands, the blighted lands that lay on the eastern banks of the Anduin, between the Emyn Muil in the south and the borders of Rhovanion in the north. At some point Sauron and/or his sevants came and burned and destroyed their gardens.

It is my sincerest hope that the entwives escaped and made it north west into Eriador and work the woodlands and wildflowers in the old kingdom of Arnor, keeping it beautiful until the King should return..

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King Azaghal was I, Lord of Belegost.

Fought the father of dragons at great cost,

During the Battle of Unnumbered Tears,

Nearly killed the Great Worm of our fears,

I Stabbed my knife into Dread Glaurung,

Could be worse, I could be dragon dung.

 

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I share your hopes azaghal.

I read much of the Brown lands. In my opinion, there, the Entwives left the seeds of their fruit long ago, in the Days of the King Elessar. They will replenish and find purchase in Arda! Splendidly, I might add!!

There, the Ent-husbands, in time, will again find their maidens in days of peace, under the sceptor of Annuminas, within the lineage of Aragorn in the house of Strider...the Fourth Age!!!!



-- Edited by Jaidoprism7 on Tuesday 25th of September 2012 09:16:01 PM

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Wonderfully said Jadoprism, and I fully concur

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